It poses other kinds of difficulty, let's say; but in the case of fiction, in order to be engaged, in order to enter the hermeneutic circle properly, we need the element of surprise, as I say, as a way of distinguishing between fiction and nonfiction.

它的确带来了其它困难，我们可以这样说;,但是在读文学时，为了投入进去，为了合适地进入解释循环，我们需要“惊讶“这个元素，正如我所说，作为区分文学和非文学的一点。

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Here's how to-- Just like we can explain in materialist, physicalist terms how to get desires and beliefs and the behavioral stuff down, here's how to get the feeling, qualitative aspect of things down, too."

然后,如何如何,正如我们可以从唯物主义,物理主义的角度解释如何得到欲望,信念,以及行为层面的东西,我们也可以解释如何得到感觉,定性方面的感觉

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