Well, it depends on what he--on how you interpret that sentence because the sentence is beautifully ambiguous.

这取决与你如何解释那句话,因为那句话模糊的近乎完美

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But in order to do so, you have to use terms like "punishment" and "reward" and "reinforcement" in such a vague way that in the end you're not saying anything scientific.

但如果你要这样去做，你就必须将惩罚，奖励“,强化之类的术语概念模糊化,最终你所作出的解释便毫无科学性。

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