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Error is not a poetic elaboration on things which somehow, as it does in Plato's view, undermines the integrity of that truth identified by philosophers.
错误并不是对事物一种诗化的详细阐释，正如柏拉图的观，这种阐释以某种方式削减了，被哲学家认同的真理，的诚实性。
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In fact, the vast majority of citizens in even the platonically just city will not necessarily have platonically just souls.
事实上，大部份的公民,就算是在柏拉图式的正义之城中,也将不尽然会有柏拉图式的正义灵魂。
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So your goal, Plato says, your goal should be, in life, to practice death-- to separate yourself from your body.
所以你的目标,柏拉图说,你的目标应该是,活着时,练习,把心灵从身体分离出来
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That at the base of all societies there has to be a labor system that will support the possibility of Plato.
在所有社会的基础上,必须有一个劳动制度,一个能供柏拉图施展他才华的制度
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I mean, the Greeks didn't -- Plato's Symposium, all of these guys are sitting around having a drinking party.
我是说,希腊人不这样 --,在柏拉图的飨宴上,人们坐在那里举行酒宴
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The ironic fact is, because the New Testament is considered more important by people, there are a whole lot more people who take my New Testament classes than go over to the Classics Department and take a course in Plato.
讽刺的是，由于人们认为新约更重要，所以在我新约课堂上的人,远远多于,在古典学系选修柏拉图的人。
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In other words, Plato is wrong. The poet is not a liar because he's not talking about anything that's verifiable or falsifiable.
意思就是说，柏拉图错了，诗人不是骗子,因为它从未说过什么话可以证明或证伪。
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The Republic belongs to that period of Plato's work after his return to Athens, after the execution of Socrates.
理想国》即是柏拉图,在返回雅典后的作品之一，也就是在苏格拉底被处决之后。
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He was sent to Athens " to study at The Academy, the first university, spoke about and established by Plato.
他被送到雅典,就读于，“柏拉图学院，首座大学，由柏拉图建立与主讲。
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What is justice, we've been questioning asking ourselves throughout this book in which Plato has been,Socrates has been teasing us with.
正义为何，我们不断地自问,整本书柏拉图与苏格拉底,都在挑逗我们的问题。
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So the very next arguement that Plato turns to can be viewed I think, as responding to this unstated objection.
所以柏拉图紧接着转向的论点,我认为可以被视作,对这个没有陈述的反对观点的回应。
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Plato here seems to agree with Winston Churchill that democracy is the worst regime except for all the others.
柏拉图似乎与丘吉尔意味相投,认为民主若没有相较于其它的政体,将是最糟的一种。
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The platonic idea of justice concerns harmony, he tells us, both harmony in the city and harmony in the soul.
柏拉图式的正义观是关于和谐，他说到，那是关于城市的和谐与灵魂的和谐。
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All this stuff, hungering after pleasure, all this stuff gets in the way of thinking about the Platonic forms.
所有这些,还有对享乐的追求,所有这些都妨碍人们思考柏拉图式的型相
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We have in Plato's own words here, the way he viewed politics and his reasons for his political philosophy.
我看到了柏拉图自述，他对政治的观点,以及他对自己政治哲学的理解。
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Now, it's not my purpose here to try to argue for or against Platonism with regard to abstract entities.
我的目的不是,试图去辩护或者反对,柏拉图哲学中的抽象实体这个概念
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Well, Aristotle and Plato,both sort of theoreticians of the polis each had an idea what's the right size for the perfect polis.
亚里士多德和柏拉图,这两位精于城邦理论的理论家对此各执己见
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Our question is not was Plato overlooking something he should have thought of, is does this argument work or not.
我们的问题不是柏拉图忽略了,一些他本该想到的事情，而是这个论证说不说得通。
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We continue to ask the same questions that were asked by Plato Machiavelli Hobbes and others.
我们持续提出相同的问题,就像柏拉图，马奇亚维利，贺伯斯,及其它人当时提出时一样。
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Plato's excessive emphasis on unity would seem to destroy the natural diversity of human beings that make up a city.
柏拉图过度地强调和谐,似乎会摧毁,构成城市的自然人性差异。
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As a teacher of mine used to say "You read Plato your way " I'll read him his way."
如同我一位老师常说的,“你们以你们的方式阅读柏拉图,我会以他的方式来阅读他“
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The idea of having the liberty to say whatever comes to our lips sounds to Plato like a kind of blasphemy.
拥有随意脱口而出,自由的概念,听在柏拉图耳中却像是一种亵渎。
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Now, let's say, I'm not really much concerned with whether this was an argument that Plato thought worked or not.
我其实并不太关心,柏拉图本人认为,这个论证是否说得通
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But most of the objections to Plato's particular form of the philosophic kingship on the practicality of his idea.
但对柏拉图,特别形式之,哲学王权的异议,在其实践性。
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"Leontius "Leontius," he writes, "was proceeding from the Piraeus outside the north wall when he perceived corpses lying near the public executioner.
柏拉图写到，从皮里亚斯,走出北侧墙外,他感受到尸体,躺在刽子手的周围。
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Raise the objection, that's Plato raises the objection in the voice of Cebes but Socrates, on Plato's behalf, never answers the objection.
提出反对观点是柏拉图,替赛贝斯提出的,但是苏格拉底，从没回应过这个反对观点。
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these are at least among the questions that Socrates or Plato, the author of the book, deliberately poses for us to consider.
就是这些问题,这些至少就是苏格拉底或柏拉图，本书作者，所特意提出让我们思考的问题。
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For Plato, philosophy was in the first instance, a therapy for our passions in a way of setting limits to our desires.
对于柏拉图，哲学的首要任务，是透过对我们的欲望设限,来治疗我们的激情。
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We can say today that this university is a direct ancestor of the platonic republic of Plato's Academy.
我们可以说现今这间大学的直系原型,即是，“柏拉图学院“的,柏拉图式理想国。
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We can begin to see it is clear how Aristotle's best regime differs from Plato's intransigent demand for the rule of philosopher-kings.
我们可以开始清楚地发现,亚里士多德的最佳政体,如何有别于柏拉图,对哲学家国王统治的不妥协要求。
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