The philosopher is described by Plato as someone with knowledge of the eternal forms, lying behind or beyond the many particulars.

哲学家在柏拉图的形容下,是拥有永恒知识，置身于许多特殊事物之后或之外的人。

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Things like the platonic form are eternal, and their eternal changeless, indestructible because they are simple.

像柏拉图形式这样的东西是永恒的，而永恒的东西是不变的不可毁灭的,因为它们是简单的。

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It won't surprise you when Plato looks for an example of something that is eternal and indestructible his mind immedialately starts thinking about the 3 platonic forms. Take the number 3.

当柏拉图寻求,某种永恒，不可毁灭的东西,作为证明例子的时候,你可能不会觉得奇怪他马上想到了,柏拉图形式，比如说数字。

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So, we've got this nice Platonic picture where Plato says, "All right. So the mind can grasp the eternal forms, but it has to free itself from the body to do that."

我们这有一个柏拉图式的场景,柏拉图说,心灵可以认知永恒的型相,但是它必须先从肉体中解脱出来

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If we give him number two, it's going to follow that whatever's doing the grasping-- call that the soul since the soul is just Plato's word for our mind-- if whatever's doing the grasping of the eternal and non-physical forms must itself be eternal and non-physical, it follows that the soul must be non-physical.

假如我们承认前提二,那么接下来就是不管是什么事物在认知,姑且称之为灵魂好了,因为灵魂是柏拉图对我们心灵的称呼,假如能够认知永恒,和非现实型相的事物本身必须是,永恒和非现实的,那么灵魂必须是非现实的

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