So how did you settle disputes when they fight and disagree, say, Executive Secretary Rumesfeld, who is a fellow Princetonian both went to Princeton, but he wouldn't be the easiest person to deal with.

在他们争论和出现分歧的时候,你是怎么解决的呢，比如说行政秘书拉姆斯菲尔德长吧,你们俩是普林斯顿的校友,但是他在工作中并非很好对付的人。

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First of all, I found secretary Rumsfeld a very easy person to deal with in a sense that he's very professional, very strict, very honest, not the kind of guy who, you know, take a different position, try to around behind your back. If he's going to stab you, he's going to stab you in the chest.

首先，我发现拉姆斯菲尔德秘书长,是很容易打交道的人,我指的是他非常专业，非常严格，非常诚恳，不像那类人，因为观点立场不同,就从你背后放冷箭,如果他想杀了你，也是从正面进攻。

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