You and I are to what else was going on, certainly 11 approvals sense like an extreme number. Yeah,yeah.

你和我都不知道还有什么其他事，但是很显然11个批准文件是很极端，是，是这样的。

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that is,people who were administered,who are governed, but in the sense of having people passing papers back and forth, and having to sign every damn thing you could ever imagine- it's just unbelievable-- before they ever thought of themselves as being citizens.

也就是被治理者,被统治者,不过让人们来回奔忙为了申请批准,还要在每一份该死的文件上签名,从这个意义上来说,在他们视自己为公民前,这是令人难以置信的

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