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Romeo, doff thy name, and for that name, which is no part of thee, take all myself."
罗密欧，抛弃了你的名字吧，我愿意，把我整个的心灵，赔偿你这一个身外的空名“
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Could we similarly say, "I didn't really imagine a world in which my mind exists but my body doesn't"?
我们可不可以简单地说,我并没有真正想象到一个,我的心灵存在,但身体不存在的世界
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That is to say, the soul by which I am, what I am, is entirely distinct from body."
也就是说,我的心灵,我的本质,完全不同于我的身体"
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If the mind is just a way of talking about the body, how could I imagine the mind without the body?
如果心灵只不过是身体的另一种说法,我怎么能独立于身体想象心灵呢
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That's a physical process that causes some sorts of changes in the mental processes occurring in my soul.
这是一个物理过程,它造成了,我灵魂中心灵过程的改变
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But that doesn't show that it's really possible, logically possible to have a world in which my mind exists and my body doesn't."
但这并不表示那是真正可能的,在逻辑上可能有一个世界,其中我的心灵存在而身体不存在
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What we've just done, after all, is imagine that my mind exists but my body does not.
我们刚才所作的,就是想象我的心灵存在,而身体不存在
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What the argument attempts to show is that this mind must be something separate from my body.
这个论证尝试证明的就是,这个心灵肯定和我的身体是不同的
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You take a pin and you stick it through my flesh of my body and I feel pain in my soul, in my mind.
你拿一根针扎我身体上的肉,我的灵魂,我的心灵就会意识到疼痛
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And Descartes says that shows that, in fact, my mind is something separate from my body.
笛卡尔说这就证明了,我的心灵和我的身体是不同的东西
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But that doesn't mean that in this world the mind is not identical to my body.
但这并不意味着,在现实世界中,我的心灵,和我的身体不一样
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If they were the same thing, I couldn't--I can't imagine the body existing without the body.
如果两者一体,我是无法独立于身体想象心灵的
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But since I can imagine my mind existing without my body, it follows that my mind and my body have to be logically distinct things.
由于我能够想象我的心灵独立于身体存在,可以推出,我的心灵,和身体在逻辑上是相互独立的
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Since I can imagine my mind without my body, it must be the case that my mind is something separate and distinct from my body.
正是因为我可以脱离于身体想象心灵,所以就可以说,我的心灵独立于身体
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Yeah, I can imagine a world in which my mind exists but my body doesn't.
是的,我可以想象在一个世界里,我的心灵存在,而我身体不存在
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Because, after all, what I just did was imagine my mind existing without my body.
我刚才所做的是想象心灵脱离身体而存在
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From which it follows that my mind and my body must not be one thing.
因为我的心灵和我的身体,不是同一个东西
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Can't my mind take off from there and push straight ahead to the idea of the perfectly straight, even if I never have encountered it before?
即使我之前没有直接碰到过,难道我的心灵不能借此来推断出,完美的直线是什么样子的吗
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We've got a story in which I'm thinking all sorts of thoughts; my mind clearly exists, and yet, for all that, my body does not exist.
在故事里,我正思考着,我的心灵显然是存在着的,但是,我的躯体却不存在了
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And so, Descartes' attempt to establish the distinctness of the mind, the immateriality of the mind, on the basis of this Cartesian thought experiment, I think that's unsuccessful.
所以,笛卡尔试图,用他的卡式思想实验来证明,心灵的独立存在性,和非物质性,我认为这种尝试是失败的
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I believe the attempts to establish the existence of a soul, an immaterial object, the house of consciousness separate and distinct from the body, I think those arguments fail.
我认为,无论是试图证明,灵魂作为一种非物质的东西,而存在,还是证明心灵,这个意识的处所,独立于肉体,我认为这些论证都不成立
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Or I've imagined a story in which my body has perhaps ceased to exist, or I've imagined a story in which I exist, or at least my mind exists.
或者说,我想象着,我的躯体消亡了,也可以说,我存在,或至少我的心灵还存在
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If I poke my body, I feel it in my mind.
如果我戳自己的身体,我的心灵能感觉到
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The thought experiment, you recall, was one in which I imagine, I tell myself a story in which what I'm doing is I'm imagining my mind existing without my body.
回忆一下 那个思想实验,在其中我想象,我给自己讲了一个故事,在这个故事里,我只是想象我的心灵独立于我的身体存在
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Try to imagine my mind," Says Descartes, "Without my body."
试着不通过身体,笛卡尔说道,来想象我的心灵
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My body can affect my mind in various ways.
我的身体可以通过多种方式影响我的心灵
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My mind cannot just be a way of talking.
我的心灵不是身体的另一种说法
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That little story I told last time, I thought I was describing a world in which my mind exists and my body doesn't, but it wasn't really imagining a world like that.
我上次讲的那个小故事,我认为我在描述一个,我的心灵存在,但身体不存在的世界,而不是真的想象出那样一个世界
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So my mind must not be my body.
所以我的心灵肯定不是我的身体
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No harm would be done if we call it a mind, though the reason I will typically talk about a soul is to try to flag the crucial point of the dualist view.
我们叫它心灵是完全可以的,我之所以重点强调,灵魂是为了,标识出二元论的重要论点
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