And some consider the White House Chief of Staff as co-president, although I think Joshua disagrees with that, or the president's gatekeeper, that is, I think he agrees.

一些人认为,办公厅主任可以和总统平起平坐，虽然我认为约书亚不同意此观点，还有人说是总统的看门人，我认为这种说法他会同意。

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