And when somebody else then attacks them, say, "Look, I think that what John was saying was a good point and here's how I think he should have defended his position," or what have you.

并且当其他人攻击他们时，你说听着我觉得约翰说的是个好点子,和这是我认为他应该怎样维护自己的立场“,或者你有什么。

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In fact, there's a rabbinic image, there's a rabbinic tradition that talks about this period of time, and has God and Moses talking, and God says: Listen, between the two of us, whenever I blow hot, you blow cold, or when I pour hot water, you pour cold, and when you pour hot, I'll pour cold, and together we'll muddle through, and get through here.

事实上，这里有一个与犹太律法相关的意象，犹太律法传统,描述了这段时间中，上帝和摩西又一次谈话，上帝说：“听着，在我们两个人中间，当我吹热风，你要吹冷风，当我泼热水，你要泼冷水，当你泼热水的时候，我们泼凉水,我们将一起应付各种情形。

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