And there are some philosophers and psychologists who do just that, who claim that free will and responsibility and spiritual value and intrinsic value are all illusions; they're pre-scientific notions that get washed away in modern science or you could try to reconcile them.

一些哲学家和心理学家便是如此,他们认为,自由意志,责任,精神价值,内在价值,这些都是幻象,都是些前科学的概念,应当从现代科学中清洗出去,或者你可以试着将二者调和

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If we had been thinking -- and some of us may well have been thinking and we were right to think provisionally -that Satan was a character that we could actually identify with, if we had been thinking that Satan was in any way a perfect character with some sort of justifiable claim -these thoughts are now being corrected by the means, by the mechanism, of the simile.

如果我们在思考--有些人已经在考虑这些问题,我们的确应该暂时想一想,-撒旦是一个的确可以，如果我们想过撒旦是,一个应当被公正对待的完美的角色的话,-这些想法目前已经得到了，这个机制和比喻的纠正。

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