The Clouds was written in 423 when Socrates was in his mid-forties and the Aristophanic Socrates is essentially what we call a natural philosopher.
云》剧写于公元前423年3,当时苏格拉底约45岁,亚里斯多芬尼斯时的苏格拉底,基本上就是我们所谓的自然哲学家。
But Plato's Socrates is necessarily poles apart from Aristophanes' Socrates depiction of him as a sort of sophist who makes the weaker argument the stronger.
但柏拉图的苏格拉底必然不同于,亚里斯多芬尼斯对苏格拉底的描述,后者将他描写成是,让虚弱申辩转强的诡辩家。
Aristophanes is the one who created the original or the initial prejudice against Socrates.
亚里斯多芬尼斯是原创或说,首创对苏格拉底持偏见态度的剧作家。
What was that prejudice that Aristophanes ? this comic poet had created?
亚里斯多芬尼斯,这位喜剧诗人创造的偏见为何呢?
The allusion to Aristophanes and the comic poet is a part of what Plato calls in Book X of the Republic the old quarrel between philosophy and poetry.
提及亚里斯多芬尼斯,是柏拉图《理想国》第10卷中所述,哲学与诗学长时争论的一部份,这项争论亦是柏拉图辩证的主体。
Reference he makes to a comic poet yes a comic poet an unequivocal reference to the playwright Aristophanes whose name I have put up on the board.
他提及一名喜剧诗人,没错,一名喜剧诗人,且是毫不含糊的,提及喜剧作家亚里斯多芬尼斯,我也有把他的名字写在黑板上。
Aristophanes' play sometimes is even included in certain editions of the book you're reading like this one it has the edition of Aristophanes' Clouds in it along with the Apology and Crito.
亚里斯多芬尼斯的剧作有时,也会包含在,你们所读的特定版本书中,像这本,它内含亚里斯多芬尼斯的《云》,还有《苏格拉底自辩篇》和《克里托篇》
We don't know the real Socrates, all we know of Socrates is what we read in Plato and Aristophanes and a small number of others who have sketched various different pictures of him.
我们不认识真正的苏格拉底,所知的苏格拉底,是透过阅读柏拉图及亚里斯多芬尼斯,及其它少数作者,从不同角度的描绘。
His challenge to the poets is in a way the basis for the resentment that is built up against him in that Aristophanes and what he calls the earlier accusers have brought to bear.
他对诗人的挑战,某个层面来说,是对反对他的人所产生之愤恨的基础,这是亚里斯多芬尼斯及他所谓的,前代原告施加于他的。
The virtues endorsed by the poetic tradition of which Aristophanes is the great representative here the great inheritor and representative the virtues of this tradition were the virtues of a warrior culture of war-like peoples and men at war.
诗学传统赞同的美德,亚里斯多芬尼斯是,最佳的代表性人物,最佳的继承人与代表性人物,这项传统的美德,是战士文化的美德,关于好战人士及战场上的人。
The existence of that play shows to all of us just how seriously Socrates was taken by the greatest of his contemporaries and Aristophanes was along with Sophocles and Euripides and others among the greatest of the Greek playwrights.
这剧本的存在让我们所有人了解到,当代大师有多看重苏格拉底,包括亚里斯多芬尼斯,还有索夫克里斯,尤里庇狄思等大家,及其它伟大的希腊剧作家。
The move from the younger we could call him Aristophanic Socrates the Socrates who again investigates the things aloft and under the earth to the later what we could call platonic Socrates.
从较年轻时,可称之为,亚里斯多芬尼斯式的苏格拉底,调查上天下地的事物,到稍后转变成所谓柏拉图式的苏格拉底。
Plato's dialogues, the Apology as well as the Republic and the Crito are in the broadest sense of the term, an attempt not only to answer the charge against Aristophanes but also defend the cause of philosophy as something of value and merit.
柏拉图的语录《苏格拉底自辩篇》,《理想国》和《克里托篇》,以最广泛的解释看来,不仅试图响应,亚里斯多芬尼斯的控诉,同时还捍卫着,哲学的目标是价值与功绩。
Here Aristophanes presents Socrates as an investigator and this is part of the first charge remember an investigator of the things aloft and the things under the earth and who makes the weaker argument the stronger.
剧中,亚里斯多芬尼斯将苏格拉底,描绘成是一名调查员,这是第一项控诉的部份,他调查上天下地的事物,能让无力的辩论转强。
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