And they were, time and time again during this trial, when he was on the stand, he would take some example and say, well, you know, we just monetized this by doing X, Y and Z, and it'll be something really complicated, and you know, if you know about business, you know, you know, the notion of monetizing a business that doesn't make any money doesn't make any sense.
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