After all, it was science that won the war and gave Admiral Rickover his nuclear navy.
So we can't agree on a history where everyone won the war and no one lost it.
They began arguing with the police that because Britain had won the war, their action should be excused.
In 1942-43, Detroit switched in six months from automaking to producing one-fifth of all the materiel that won the war.
His certifiable influence accounts for his importance, although whether he won the war on the obvious is yet to be determined.
And with the proposed settlement, "Microsoft may not just have won the battle, it may have won the war, " he said.
Advocates of limited government, it is said, have lost the battle of health care, but won the war of the commerce clause.
Wigan started the day as favourites for the drop, but manager Paul Jewell is an expert at engineering a last-day survival and he won the war of nerves again.
They worry that, having won the war, Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, is now going to lose the peace by stubbornly refusing to send enough troops to do what is needed in Iraq.
Mahinda Rajapaksa, pictured, who won the war and was returned to power as president with a stonking majority in January, is also minister of defence, finance and planning, ports and aviation and highways.
The greens thought they had won the intellectual war over the economics of road building after the government's technical committee SACTRA warned in the 1990s that there was no guarantee that road building would stimulate jobs.
Winston Churchill contributed to a 1931 collection of essays called "If It Had Happened Otherwise" with an entry envisioning how World War I might have been avoided if the Confederacy had won the Civil War.
This was the basis for the Desert Storm campaign that won the Gulf War in 1991.
That was a year after Nagano won the bidding war by four votes.
Just as AC beat DC, the audio cassette beat 8-track and VHS beat Betamax, Qwerty won the format war.
In 1777, American forces won the Revolutionary War Battle of Bennington, Vermont.
Where after the war Attlee established the case for the NHS, state education and a welfare state, Thatcher, after the industrial wars of the 70s and the Cold War, won the arguments for a market-based economy, the private ownership of key industries and services, limits on trade union power and a strong defence policy based on the Atlantic Alliance.
As well as taking the award for top game, Gears of War won the technology and visual arts award.
But everyone realises that ultimately the war cannot be won on the battlefield and a dialogue with the Taliban is needed.
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Faulks, who topped the best seller list and won critical acclaim for his World War I saga Birdsong, won the award for his latest novel Charlotte Gray.
Tyrone, who was a Vietnam veteran, said he thought that the war could not be won the way it was being waged.
Just a few days ago, the hedge fund industry won a behind-the-scenes war to kill a bill that would have plugged a loophole that funnels billions of dollars into the pockets of some of the highest-paid people in America.
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"Regardless of who wins, it won't stop the war, " Mustafa Avci, the Istanbul co-chairman of the BDP, told CNN.
Overtaken by Germany when it won the Franco-Prussian war in 1871, Alsace and a good part of Lorraine sent streams of refugees to Nancy, whose population nearly doubled in the last quarter of the 19th century.
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