The irony is that the deal agreed in Bonn looks very much like the version that America was ready to sign up to in The Hague.

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Neil Rafferty, spokesperson for the Freedom of the Right to Enjoy Smoking Tobacco (Forest), agreed that smoking was "very much a choice for adults to make" but criticised BMA Wales's ideas on how to cut teenage smoking.

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But they agreed that the November verdict remains very much in question.

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So I was very grateful that Thorsten Heins, now in sole charge, agreed to meet me this week and give me so much of his time.

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