The secret tapings came to light amid arbitration cases in front of securities regulators.

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"We're really alternative TV, " she says between tapings at her Westport, Conn. studio.

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Jon had called an end to the tapings through a cease and desist order against the show, for what he said was the benefit of his children.

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One California vacation included a visit to a taping of "Win, Lose or Draw, " where I got to chat with game show legend Charles Nelson Reilly between tapings.

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The daily tapings are a separate matter.

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