"Right now, if we say that 15 or 17% of all kids are over 95th percentile for obesity, statistically that doesn't make sense, " Wu said.

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He didn't defend another one-time associate, Xing Wu "Oliver" Pan, a fundraiser, who was convicted of conspiring to commit wire fraud and attempted wire fraud.

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Goldsmith and Wu argue that the range of national norms won't lead to a single solution.

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"I don't mind co-existing with Netflix or Blockbuster, " says Wu.

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But if Wu Lyf are going to get bigger, surely they can't keep playing small, bespoke shows?

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Analyst Shaw Wu of Sterne Agee made light of initial reviews from the tech press that suggested the phone wasn't as new or different as Apple claims.

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