Not that they're not important, but I think that the creative element sometimes gets lost in that.

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But I've also learned that sometimes other things are lost, as well, and even if they don't matter as much as the human suffering, they matter just the same.

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"I think he managed companies and he bought and he sold and sometimes people lost their jobs, " McCain said.

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"This simple point seems to have been lost in what I think is a fog of denial and sometimes apparently wilful misunderstanding, " she told MSPs.

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