Both have been sitting around collecting dust, waiting for something to come along and make them relevant again.
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I've knocked on the door a couple of times recently, to get over the hurdle is hopefully the start of something to come.
So, what the bears need at this point in time is for something to come out of the woodwork that causes the buyers to either stand aside for a spell or question their conviction.
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We were expecting something big to come out of Cellular South this coming Monday, but we definitely didn't anticipate the company going all Diddy Dirty Money on us.
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"Before Sanika's operation took place I was very sad and very tense and apprehensive but when I got the appointment I started to hope something good was going to come out of this and feel it has, " Mrs Ahmed said.
How can a company take a charge for something and then not be able to reverse that charge if that something doesn't come to pass?
With social CRM in sight, this social technology arms race is the start of something very big to come.
After a week since Chatroulette went down, promising a new version to come soon, something has come back up on its site.
Moussavi may have won in the capital, "but he lost in the provinces, and that's something they have to come to terms with, " Afrasiabi said.
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Thanks to a combination of "stealthy" characteristics that make it very difficult to detect and target, the ability to operate for sustained periods at supersonic speeds and its extraordinary agility, the Raptor seems likely to secure for years to come something Americans have taken for granted in every conflict since World War II: air superiority essential to victory on the ground.
The unforgiving timetable is only one of the technical hurdles confronting the Southern California company's much-publicized effort to accomplish something no other company has come close to trying.
If people have no original reporting to add, they instead try to come up with something clever or funny to say.
"You could tell that Lindsay felt she had to do something more, that she had to come up with better shots, " Clijsters said.
I've been in this business enough to see things come and go, and you start to realize when something like this comes along, when a group of musicians like this come together to form a unit like this, I'm just trying to appreciate every moment of it because you know it's not going to last forever.
"I always thought when I was young, if I ever made it -- and I hoped I would, and dreamed that I would -- I thought I would love to be able to come home and do something special to honor my family, " she said.
Would she recognise the irony that those who most vilified her policies had something to thank her for come the referendum?
Certainly his expertise both in this field, but also in these communities, is something that is going to come in very handy to this response.
"I was initially very, very upset about the verdict, but now I feel I have to make something good come of it, " says Paul's widow, Musa.
But Ian says it's Jake's difficult questions that give them the will to get involved -- to try to make something positive come from the tragedy.
Outsource, in-0source, this is something that will have to come.
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"It's something consumers have come to expect, " Smith said.
After Partington, a father of six who suffered 40% burns and a broken back in the blast, admitted causing the explosion the family tried to make something good come from the tragedy.
"I can't predict one way or another because what I don't want to do is try to do something and come back sooner than I should and end up being a longer time, " Wright said.
You know, to be able to make something of this -- to be able to deal with this and have something positive come out of this.
"We need to get something sorted out as the manager needs to come in and be planning and the plans should be in place for next year, " he said.
He could have done more, he thinks, to stop the velvet divorce from Slovakia in 1993, something that many Czechs have come to lament and which has indeed diminished both halves of the former country.
And what you're aware of throughout the process is that after having taken 1, 000 votes or so, no matter how well-intentioned you are and how seriously you take the issues and, you know, hew to principle - there's going to be something in there that, come election time, somebody's going to be able to run a TV spot on.
And we have the Power Point Triangle of Death, where the speaker moves to the screen to point out some illegible word, drifts back to his computer, while mumbling something about the next slide, only to come to the third point of the triangle floating somewhere uneasily in between his screen position and his computer position.
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