What I'm doing is not slagging off, I'm saying I'm looking for someone who can unite our party and who can lead our party with exciting new radical ideas and I believe that the person who can do that best is Iain Duncan Smith.
The conversation moved on to those intense days of war almost 15 years back and we did what any member of the journalist tribe does when gathering after many years apart - slagging off the louder mutual acquaintances and wondering what ever happened to the quiet ones.