And we were also joined with Rosie Sizer, the chief of police of Portland, Oregon.
Chief SIZER: Well, race is not uncommonly part of policing in America, and often it adds emotion.
Chief SIZER: Well, I really don't think it's fair to put me in the position of second-guessing what happened.
And we're also talking with Rosie Sizer, chief of police in Portland, Oregon.
Now, Ms. Sizer, we want to get into the question of race, but first, let's talk about just the basics.
We are talking with Rosie Sizer, chief of police in Portland, Oregon, and we're talking about tensions between law enforcement and minorities.
Chief SIZER: Well, ideally you should be able to diffuse a situation like this verbally, and very seldom resort to an arrest situation.
Chief SIZER: Well, we have training doctrine, and we also have policies and procedures, but policies and procedures are often very much more general.
"Selling memberships was a way of involving the community and thus assuring that there would be people there to buy, " co-founder Virginia Sizer says.
Chief ROSIE SIZER (Chief of Police, Portland, Oregon): It's my pleasure.
Chief SIZER: Well, we've been involved in a long discussion about race relations in my community the entire tenure of my chiefdom, I guess, and out of that discussion we developed and presented a racial profiling plan.
Chief SIZER: Well, for about the last 10 years, many police departments, especially large, urban police departments, have been collecting data on their traffic stops, and most departments, including my own, show disproportionate stops based on race when measured against census data.
Chief SIZER: Well, it really depends on the kind of a call you're responding to, the information you receive about the call, whether or not the suspect description indicates any violence or whether or not the individual may be armed with a weapon.
We were talking with Chief Sizer just before you joined us, and I was mentioning before the break, Chief Sizer, that you came up with a plan to deal with racial profiling, and I wonder if you can tell us what's in that plan.
Chief SIZER: I think what's important for police officers when they hear stories and they were not there and they don't know is to honor the perspective of the person who's telling the story and take into consideration how they can respond appropriately in the job they do every day.
Chief SIZER: We've just gone through our in-service training annually, and we had instructors who really talked about that, clueing officers in that disrespectful communication is often interpreted by minorities as racial bias when in fact the officer may be acting like a jerk, and maybe he or she routinely acts like a jerk.
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