"I asked him what the downside was, " Dan Silna recalls saying at what was his only meeting with Madoff.

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Milton recalls that he protested, saying that faster monetary growth was not desirable because it would lead to later inflation.

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She recalls making points in boardrooms, then watching the group take note of a male later saying the same thing.

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"Some people were saying, Hey, I thought this was a takeover, '" Anderson recalls.

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He recalls that the Phipps deal was brought to the tribe by a shelter promoter, who presented legal opinions saying it would work.

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