If you're down the chain in the review process in one of these organizations, you just know one thing, you are never going to get in trouble for saying no.

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Know who you are leading and never take for granted that your older colleagues will do what you say just because you are the boss.

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You never know, it just might make for some interesting conversations.

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"The gap between the two traditions is just so big on policing you will never please either of them completely, " said a spokesman for Mr Mandelson.

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