They concede that it is not a perfect science, but insist it does save lives.
The council will insist it's gone down, but I can guarantee you that it hasn't.
But other experts insist it's the controls, not the drivers, that can't be trusted.
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An NHS trust has written to staff to insist it does not "suppress debate about patient safety".
This convention may look too much like just another EU talking shop, but its founders insist it is revolutionary.
However, the programme makers insist it is a unique social experiment to see how prepared teenagers really are for parenting.
The House is using a procedural glitch in the Senate's bill to insist it's not ready to go to conference.
Lula's compromises have sharpened the division between those who think the current order can be fixed and those who insist it must be overthrown.
Sources insist it is not a U-turn and that the Financial Services Bill would already have given the FCA some powers to cap payday loans.
Yet these aides also say Bush is not about to forget, and they insist it is not his responsibility to take the first step toward mending fences.
The Europeans have also taken a tough line this time: the agreement reached with Iran specifies no deadline, and they insist it must include all work towards enrichment.
But for any conservative party to find itself in the position of having to insist it is the party of ordinary people, not just the rich, is pretty poor.
The NATO rebels insist it is an argument about timing, not substance: they say that beefing up Turkey's defences now would send a premature signal that war had, in effect, started.
About 8, 500 civil servants at the Home Office are to decide on a pay offer said by the union to be worth 1.3%, although ministers insist it would increase salaries by 5.7%.
While the proponents insist it is something else - for example, "hard-earned legalization" - there is no getting around the fact that it hugely rewards people for coming to this country illegally.
It seems like a key issue is this matter of a trigger -- how do you make sure that Congress actually takes up deficit reduction without that enforcement mechanism being the debt limit, as Republicans insist it must.
So the power dynamics underpinning the political system make all of the spending categories relevant to military modernization vulnerable to cuts in a defense downturn, even though Secretary Gates and his subordinates insist it is essential to maintain robust spending in those areas.
Though Israel so far has not done so, it must insist that if it is to give up the defensive asset of the Golan Heights, there must be not only a demilitarized zone on the Golan, but also a reduction of Syria's armed forces and missiles, and a dismantling of its arsenal of chemical warfare.
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Mr Cameron believes enshrining it in law will harm press freedom but Mr Clegg and Mr Miliband insist on it - they say the rules would lack impact without it.
If a Muslim group gets a federal contract, may it insist that any new people it hires to help with that contract are themselves Muslim?
Yet the Bank of Japan continues to insist that it has done all it can.
The American people and their congressional representatives must therefore insist that it does so.
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Iraq continues to insist that it no longer has any weapons of mass destruction.
FATF's fans admit that some plea-bargaining goes on, but insist that it does not let countries off lightly.
Many citizens of this country want to do the right thing and have the courage to insist on it.
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Later, Boris and Simeon were joined by their young nephew, Leon, or if you insist on it, Akabia Aryeh.
But to keep the strike legal, the unions must insist that it is about nothing more than pay and benefits.
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