And the managers quote one variation of Ms. Lewinsky's description of that December 28 conversation as follows: At some point I said to him, well you know, should I -- maybe I should put the gifts away outside my house somewhere or give them to someone, maybe Betty and he sort of said -- I think he responded, I don't know, let me think about that and left that topic.

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He said I should give you a hug, but I know that's not an opportunity right now. (Laughter.) But thank you.

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And my uncle brought me to see him, and I didn't have the kind of money that people had to invest, and my uncle said, I think you should be with this man because this man never loses, you know, any money.

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