As I say, both stories are complicated, and somewhat disputed, but, taken together, they do help to underscore two important realities.

BBC: Greek banks, the euro and the ECB

"I want to tell the court that what I did was wrong and illegal and I want to say I'm sorry, " Mr Li told district judge Leonard Stark, although he disputed the retail value of the software he stole and sold.

BBC: Chinese man pleads guilty in $100m software scam