"They're great when you're out there, days like this, but in the changing-room it's just horrible, " he said.

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And I realized right then that I had to live up to all the stuff I was preaching about, which is to say that all of the great stuff that I talked about for three days was out the window.

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There is much work to do, that much is obvious, but they had produced a run of clean sheets and decent results before last Sunday and there is a different atmosphere about the place these days - although Manchester United always brings out great fervour from Liverpool's fans whatever the situation.

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He points out that despite great changes since his 1970s and 80s playing days, including the introduction of full professionalism, "community" clubs and volunteers remain at the heart of rugby union in England.

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But some days you can't go out on the court and everything goes in and you feel great and you're playing the way you imagined to play.

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