It takes a lot to get used to but she has very good advice and I think she has handled it as well as it could possibly have been handled.

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"I've always handled historical stuff that gets passed around, but I've often wished that I could get it back to the original family, " she says.

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But after spending a couple of hours with her, I can't say we handled it terribly well.

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"Looking at the Curve project - and it's a wonderful theatre and I am very proud to have it - but it really is one of the most expensive and badly handled projects in this city's history, " he said.

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