And joining us from Philadelphia is Bernard Anderson, professor of management at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School.

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Doctor BERNARD ANDERSON (Professor of Management, University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School): Hello.

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And Bernard Anderson is professor of management at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School and former assistant secretary of Labor under the Clinton administration.

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Professor BERNARD ANDERSON (University of Pennsylvania Wharton School): It certainly is.

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For more, we've got Bernard Anderson.

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