And so, they, you know, at least from the outside seem to have a bit of it all right now and I spent time asking people how did this happen.

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The target was definitely a bit too slow and all of a sudden Jenson was right up on my tail.

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It's all right him getting a bit of stick but when it comes to what we've just seen in midweek, everybody is sickened by it.

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All of which may seem a bit academic right now, with RBS shares massively underwater, as they say, at 290p.

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