所以有时候我们会这样想，看，这里有一个论证，是由苏格拉底提出的。

And so sometimes we'll find ourselves thinking, "You know, there's an argument here that Socrates is putting forward."

youdao

但即使是好的，我想说，苏格拉底，那也不足以帮你论证。

But even if they are good criticisms, I want to say that's not good enough to help you argument, Socrates.

youdao

所以如果苏格拉底说的无形，是第一个意思：，眼睛看不见，这个论证就不好，和声是个很有说服力的反例。

So if what Socrates means by invisibility is the first notion: can't be seen with your eyes, then the argument is not any good, harmony is a pretty compelling counterexample.

youdao

But even if they are good criticisms, I want to say that's not good enough to help you argument, Socrates.

但即使是好的，我想说，苏格拉底,那也不足以帮你论证。

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All that Simmias needs to cause problems for Socrates' argument is the claim that harmony is invisible and harmony can be destroyed.

西米亚斯为苏格拉底的论证,带来问题的只需要是,和声是无形的,但是可以毁灭。

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And so sometimes we'll find ourselves thinking, "You know, there's an argument here that Socrates is putting forward.

所以有时候我们会这样想,看,这里有一个论证,是由苏格拉底提出的

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