我们认得一个人的祖母，她居然把泰奥多尔变成了格农。
We have known a grandmother who succeeded in turning Theodore into Gnon.
但是盖格农提醒说，这次转变的部分至少对于部分客户而言可能给人现实一样的感觉。
But Gagnon noted that part of that shift, at least in the case of some users, may be as much perception as reality.
达维格农认为比尔德堡曾经助过欧元诞生一臂之力，也记得比德尔堡在伊拉克问题上的严重分歧：一些与会者赞成2003年的入侵，一些人表示反对，还有一些人则希望用另一种形式实现。
He recalls strong disagreement over Iraq: some participants favoured the invasion in 2003, some opposed it and some wanted it done differently.
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