冯•诺依曼最感兴趣的是想看看自己能否给这种互动游戏找出最理想的策略，因为乍一看来，它们在理论上几乎是无解的。
Von Neumann was particularly interested in seeing if he could develop optimal strategies for these kinds of mutual games, because at first glance they seemed almost insolvable in theory.
而在理想状态下，只有考夫曼机或者冯诺伊曼机，才能创造出比它自己还要复杂的东西。
And ideally it must be a Kauffman or von Neumann machine that can create things more complex that itself.
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