But I would say - I would agree with you - but I would add that for me, good religion and good art - I like this idea -- are as real as life itself.

我同意你的观点，但我还想加一点,对我来说，好的宗教和好的艺术,应该和生活一样真实，我喜欢这个理念。

普林斯顿公开课 - 人性课程节选

Now by the same token, James Joyce other Modernists like James Joyce are also contributing to this idea of the independent unity of the work of art.

同样的，一些现代主义作家如,也对艺术作品独立的一致性,这一观点作出了贡献。

耶鲁公开课 - 文学理论导论课程节选

Eight features of literary modernism: An obsession with the idea of art's autonomy, the idea that art is its own law, that it responds to no other laws, that it has no other purpose than its own purposes.

第一，对艺术意志自由问题的困扰,对艺术是自身的法律，它不响应其他准则,它只有本身这唯一的目的，也就是说。

耶鲁公开课 - 1945年后的美国小说课程节选

He actually reverses the idea that it's art that's autonomous.

他实际上颠覆了艺术是自主的这一观点。

耶鲁公开课 - 文学理论导论课程节选

Now, on Monday you're going to hear about this novel's confrontation with the idea that art could be saving, that it could somehow be redemptive, but here I think is a hint that it's something that the novel simply laughs at hollowly.

星期一我们将会将到这部小说对,艺术已经被拯救，某种程度已经被救赎这个,观点的对质，但我想提示大家一下,那只是这部小说空洞嘲笑的观点。

耶鲁公开课 - 1945年后的美国小说课程节选