(Speaking in French) But Besson said immigration is also a key element of the debate and French should not be afraid to discuss it.

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And also, discuss the debate over whether such cases are true or not; whether they could be taken as a real phenomena or a made-up phenomena, which is--there is a matter of a lot of controversy.

同时也讨论一下,这种现象是否真实存在,我们应该将它看作是真实的心理现象,还是人们主观想象出来的,这个问题存在着许多的争论

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