我在这里不是要讨论这种态度的道德问题；只是注意到，在开发人员和最终用户采取这种互相对立的姿态时，安全性正在不断地被破坏。
My point is not to argue with the ethics of this stance; it's just to observe that security consistently crumbles when developers and end-users adopt such adversarial stances toward each other.
想一想这个问题，你们知道，PIVoT有一个选项，你们可以互相之间，讨论问题，因此利用这个讨论的按钮，看看你们能否，得出一个解释。
Give this some thought, and you know, PIVoT has an option that you can discuss problems with other students, so make use of this discussion button and see whether you can come to an explanation.
“总的来说，对于编辑我认为最大的问题，是他们的态度，”“他们说，'我们不打算解释我们是怎样作的决定，我们基本上是在自己的圈子里互相讨论。”'
"In general, the biggest problem I have with the editors is their attitude," he says. "They say: 'we're not going to explain how we make decisions, we basically talk amongst ourselves."'
同学们经常在班会上互相讨论他们所遇到的问题。
The students often discuss the problems they have among themselves in the class meeting.
这个小组我非常满意，就拿互相交流来说，原来都自己干自己的事，而现在很快就能在一起讨论问题。
I am very satisfied with this team, took to communicate with each other, the original do their own thing, but it soon will be able to discuss the issues together.
在几分钟的沉默之后，我们互相交换着香烟，争论各种让我离开这个国家的最佳路线，我们在回大马士革的一路上都在讨论这个问题。
After a few minutes of silence and many cigarettes passed back and forth we debated the best way for me to get out of the country. We debated it all the way back to Damascus.
在几分钟的沉默之后，我们互相交换着香烟，争论各种让我离开这个国家的最佳路线，我们在回大马士革的一路上都在讨论这个问题。
After a few minutes of silence and many cigarettes passed back and forth we debated the best way for me to get out of the country. We debated it all the way back to Damascus.
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