They were not a collection of newbies who just got off the static site boat.

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"I've already got the iPhone 4S and a MacBook Pro so it's like having a collection really, " he added.

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The success of Valley Vote's signature-collection drive it got 205, 000 people to sign up in support of a study of secession, 39% of San Fernando's registered voters has led to the creation of a fact-finding commission, largely financed by the California state assembly, whose speaker recognises the validity of valley feelings even if he personally does not favour secession.

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