But I take, and the President takes some of the statements by Republican leaders and important and prominent Republicans about the absolute folly of pursuing a strategy that ties raising the debt ceiling to demands on spending cuts, the fact that it is folly -- we take heart in that because we believe it's good for the economy to cease that practice.
Rather than give an absolute number for what constitutes a low-level debt, the Zweig strategy looks for debt that is below the average for the company's industry.